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dark:prose-invert wrap-break-word w-full light markdown-new-styling\">\n<p class=\"isSelectedEnd\">Cette \u00e9mission, diffus\u00e9e par Radio Pais dans le cadre du projet europ\u00e9en Rede Tramontana (<em>R\u00e9seau Tramontana<\/em> en fran\u00e7ais et <em>Tramontana Network<\/em> en anglais), cofinanc\u00e9 par l\u2019Union europ\u00e9enne, poursuit les entretiens avec Jean Larzac en abordant les id\u00e9es politiques qui ont marqu\u00e9 le mouvement occitan contemporain. Dans la continuit\u00e9 de ses r\u00e9flexions sur la langue, la culture et l\u2019engagement social, Larzac analyse les notions de nation, de nationalisme et de r\u00e9gionalisme, tout en proposant une lecture nuanc\u00e9e de l\u2019identit\u00e9 occitane et de sa place au sein de la France.<\/p>\n<p class=\"isSelectedEnd\">Jean Larzac distingue clairement l\u2019adh\u00e9sion \u00e0 l\u2019id\u00e9e d\u2019une nation occitane de l\u2019id\u00e9ologie nationaliste. Il affirme croire en l\u2019existence d\u2019une communaut\u00e9 historique et culturelle fond\u00e9e sur la langue, la m\u00e9moire et un h\u00e9ritage commun, tout en rejetant les formes de nationalisme fond\u00e9es sur l\u2019exclusion ou l\u2019autoritarisme. Revenant sur les d\u00e9bats des ann\u00e9es 1960 et 1970, il explique que le mouvement occitan a privil\u00e9gi\u00e9 le concept de d\u00e9colonisation afin de revendiquer la reconnaissance de la culture occitane, des droits linguistiques et des territoires, sans adopter une vision nationaliste au sens politique traditionnel.<\/p>\n<p>L\u2019entretien s\u2019int\u00e9resse \u00e9galement \u00e0 la critique du r\u00e9gionalisme fran\u00e7ais et \u00e0 la distinction propos\u00e9e par Robert Lafont entre \u00ab nation primaire \u00bb et \u00ab nation secondaire \u00bb. Pour Jean Larzac, les nations historiques qui composent la France, dont l\u2019Occitanie, sont ant\u00e9rieures \u00e0 l\u2019\u00c9tat moderne et doivent \u00eatre reconnues comme des r\u00e9alit\u00e9s culturelles vivantes, plut\u00f4t que r\u00e9duites \u00e0 de simples d\u00e9coupages administratifs. L\u2019\u00e9mission met ainsi en lumi\u00e8re la richesse des d\u00e9bats internes au mouvement occitan et rappelle le r\u00f4le fondamental de la langue, de l\u2019histoire et de la transmission culturelle dans l\u2019avenir de l\u2019Occitanie.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-2 fusion_builder_column_1_3 1_3 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:33.333333333333%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:5.76%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:5.76%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><ul style=\"--awb-textcolor:#000000;--awb-line-height:23.8px;--awb-icon-width:23.8px;--awb-icon-height:23.8px;--awb-icon-margin:9.8px;--awb-content-margin:33.6px;--awb-circlecolor:#000000;--awb-circle-yes-font-size:12.32px;\" class=\"fusion-checklist fusion-checklist-1 fusion-checklist-default type-icons\"><li class=\"fusion-li-item\" style=\"\"><span class=\"icon-wrapper circle-yes\"><i class=\"fusion-li-icon fa-angle-double-right fas\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><\/span><div class=\"fusion-li-item-content\">\n<p><strong>Titre original<\/strong>: Joan Larzac \u2013 E Nacion Occitana<\/p>\n<\/div><\/li><li class=\"fusion-li-item\" style=\"\"><span class=\"icon-wrapper circle-yes\"><i class=\"fusion-li-icon fa-angle-double-right fas\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><\/span><div class=\"fusion-li-item-content\">\n<p><strong>Auteurs :<\/strong> Fabrice Bernissan<\/p>\n<\/div><\/li><li class=\"fusion-li-item\" style=\"\"><span class=\"icon-wrapper circle-yes\"><i class=\"fusion-li-icon fa-angle-double-right fas\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><\/span><div class=\"fusion-li-item-content\">\n<p><strong>Organisations productrices :<\/strong> R\u00e0dio Pa\u00eds<\/p>\n<\/div><\/li><li class=\"fusion-li-item\" style=\"\"><span class=\"icon-wrapper circle-yes\"><i class=\"fusion-li-icon fa-angle-double-right fas\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><\/span><div class=\"fusion-li-item-content\">\n<p><strong>Type de r\u00e9sultat :<\/strong> Podcast<\/p>\n<\/div><\/li><li class=\"fusion-li-item\" style=\"\"><span class=\"icon-wrapper circle-yes\"><i class=\"fusion-li-icon fa-angle-double-right fas\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><\/span><div class=\"fusion-li-item-content\">\n<p><strong>Mois, ann\u00e9e : <\/strong>Avril 2026<\/p>\n<\/div><\/li><li class=\"fusion-li-item\" style=\"\"><span class=\"icon-wrapper circle-yes\"><i class=\"fusion-li-icon fa-angle-double-right fas\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><\/span><div class=\"fusion-li-item-content\">\n<p><strong>Langues :<\/strong> Gascon<\/p>\n<\/div><\/li><li class=\"fusion-li-item\" style=\"\"><span class=\"icon-wrapper circle-yes\"><i class=\"fusion-li-icon fa-angle-double-right fas\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><\/span><div class=\"fusion-li-item-content\">\n<p><strong>Plateformes de podcast :<\/strong> R\u00e0dio Pa\u00eds<\/p>\n<\/div><\/li><\/ul><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"author":28,"featured_media":25949,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"slim_seo":{"title":"Radio Pais - 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